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[WARNING: This post is crass and vulgar. I haven’t shied away from using naughty words. If you don’t like naughty words, then STOP READING. If you don’t like naughty words, and if you don’t stop reading, then don’t complain. You’ve been warned, my friends…]

I fired up the ol’ web browser yesterday morning to do my usual reading when I came across this posting over at Slashdot.

I had no idea, probably because I don’t pay attention to these things, but the Xbox 360 is going to have some level of backwards compatibility with the original Xbox. I consider this to be spiffy news since I’m going to be plunking down several hundred dollars of my hard earned cash on one of these systems in a few days.

For my non-techie readers, when we say that something is “backwards compatible,” what we mean is that a new technology, rather than simply replacing its predecessor, actually embodies its functionality plus all the new-fangled whiz-bang crap that it’s supposed to do on its own. In this case, saying that the Xbox 360 is “backwards compatible” with the original Xbox, I mean that some original Xbox games will work on the new Xbox 360, which is an entirely different machine.

We’ve seen this for years in the Microsoft camp. Being able to run a DOS application in Windows 95, or a Windows 95 application in Windows 98, or a Windows 98 application in Windows ME 2000, or a Windows 2000 application in Windows XP – this is something we’ve been doing for ages.

The Apple contingent of my readership probably doesn’t have any idea what I’m talking about, though, since trying to run an OS X 10.0.x application under, for example, 10.4.x typically results in an error kind of like this one:

Apple_error
As someone who has purchased four Apple machines over the past several years (and loved all of them), I feel justified in bringing you this stark vision of Real Life with an Apple product

The point is that backwards compatibility is something that, while nice, isn’t something the manufacturers of technology are obligated to implement. I buy new versions of Apple’s OS X as they come out, and I just accept that there will be a (long) list of applications that won’t work with the new versions of the OS. It sucks, but nobody’s forcing me to buy Apple products, so I take it in the pooter and get on with life.

I never expected Microsoft to make it possible to play original Xbox games on the Xbox 360, and I am thankful. Even though the list of supported titles is rather short right now, it’s still better than nothing. And, as a nice bonus, old titles will run in enhanced modes for those of us with HD setups. From an interview on the main Xbox site:

One of the great things about gaming on Xbox 360 is the satisfaction of knowing that every game will be playable in high definition. We are now proud to reveal that this extends to the original Xbox games as well. Every original Xbox game will be upscaled to 720p and 1080i, and will take advantage of Xbox 360’s anti-aliasing capabilities, delivering a picture that is clearer and crisper than anything available on Xbox.

OK – that’s just ****ing awesome. Not only will some of my old games work on the new system, but they’ll be better. Can’t complain about that…

…or can you?

– The very first Slashdot comment from this story:

i'm currently playing far cry and battlefront 2 on my xbox, i guess i'll have to keep it for a little while longer... damn you microsoft, damn you to hell, if apple devs can bust out with universal binarys why cant you.

This man is a cock.

The two games he’s “currently playing” on his Xbox aren’t on the list of games that will run under the emulator, so he’s turned on the WhiningMachine.

Maybe one reason, Mr. Cockface, that the Xbox team can’t “bust out with universal binarys” is that the games were distributed on these things called “CDs” which are kind of hard to modify after the fact. Oh, sure, I guess the games could have been released at the very beginning with “universal binarys,” but, oddly enough, when the original Xbox was released, something tells me that the Xbox team itself wasn’t yet aware that there would be another Xbox console coming out several years down the line with a freaking MULTI-CORE CPU AND BRAND NEW GRAPHICS SOMETHING OR OTHERS.

Even with these “universal binarys,” there would be a few problems along the lines of, oh, I don’t know, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURES BETWEEN THE TWO MACHINES THAT A SIMPLE RECOMPILE ISN’T GOING TO SOLVE.

(Cock.)

– In the same thread, some other King of Cockery chimed in:

With Free Software, you can port apps to new systems. Proprietary software and systems, or own your rights. Choose.

Absolutely!

The operative word here being “you.” As in: you can port apps to new systems.

Tell you what. Send me your phone number, and I’ll pass it on to the Xbox team. I’m sure they’ll get you a badge so that you can head on over to Xbox HQ and start porting these things yourself (this would be especially interesting for them since, rather than doing something stupid like porting these games, they’re just creating an emulator to run them).

Or, if that doesn’t interest you, I’ll just step out of the way and let you get back to working on one of those open source consoles. You know – like the… uh…

Oh, my word – I just remembered – OPEN SOURCE CONSOLES DON’T EXIST BECAUSE CONSOLE COMPANIES DON’T MAKE THEIR DOUGH BY SENDING OUT OVERPRICED, LIPPY CONSULTANTS TO RECOMPILE KERNELS AND DO REALLY COMPLEX TECHNICAL CRAP THAT’S REALLY HARD ON OPEN SOURCE SYSTEMS, LIKE SETTING UP PRINTERS.

(Cock.)

– Later on, we get this gem:

Yes, they've manage to not include in their list a SINGLE game I care about!

Seriously. Wow.

I’m sure they’re working day and night to get “STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE IN THE MAGICAL LAND OF YOU’RE A COCK” up and running.

You will be notified at the earliest convenience.

– And a few inches down the page, this:

It's going to look bad marketing a machine with backwards compatability when the backwards compatability consists of the emulation of *some* games assuming you have the more expensive xbox and the *hope* of more support in future.

Well, you’re obviously a marketing genius. Clearly, it would have been better to have gone to market with no emulation and no announcement of plans to provide it.

Hey – go look outside right now. Bill Gates is parked in front of your h4x0r den in his limo. He wants you to come run the whole Microsoft marketing division.

Congrats.

– Not having to go far to find another bit of distilled stupidity, I found this sucker:

While there is Halo and Halo 2 support (they would have a lot of pissed users if there wasn't), there is no Project Gotham Racing 2 support. Part of me wonders if there is no support for it due to PGR3 being a launch title. Are there any other launch title sequals with no backwards compatiblity???

It wouldn't suprise me at all for Microsoft to do this for the money.

Gasp!

For the money?! Surely not.

It’s… it’s…

Radical!

Crazy!

Unheard of!

Brilliant?

Hey – go look outside right now. Bill Gates is parked in front of your h4x0r den in his limo. He wants you to come run the whole Microsoft Business Genius division.

– It’s incredible. The stupid was just flowing that day:

Here it is. Microsofts first huge mistake. If they were only selling one version of the 360 at launch it wouldn't be a problem, but since the "CORE" package will not be backwards compatible with anything, we're are going to have a lot of unhappy people on Christmast morning when their old Xbox games don't work. This is a disaster in the making.

[Stunned silence]

Wow. This is heavy.

So… um…

When you say that people will be unhappy on “Christmast” morning (what’s “Christmast?”), it’s going to be because “their old Xbox games don’t work.”

Now, help me out here – I’m a little slow.

What exactly is it about the 360 and “Christmast” morning that will cause “old Xbox games” to stop working? Are the CDs going to self destruct? Is the original Xbox, upon arrival of “Christmast” day, suddenly going to sprout legs, walk out of the house, and go on a road trip to Mexico without you?

Is there something in the Xbox 360 EULA that prohibits use of a 360 and an original Xbox in the same home at the same time?

Please email me your detailed response. Somebody should really put this in a FAQ or a readme or something.

Thanks, by the way, for your hard work. Without the community standing up and saying stuff like this, nobody ever would have known or suspected that the original Xbox was going to suddenly break on “Christmast” day.

(Also, get back to me on that “Christmast” thing.)

– I’m floored. Even for Slashdot, this has to be considered a real shitstorm of violent dumbness:

I'd have rather that Microsoft provide a mechanism where game companies could recompile their game code and create a PowerPC executable that would utilise the same data on the game discs (games are mostly data these days anyway). There'd be a reasonable amount of porting work still however - removing custom nVidia code, utilising equivalent ATI mechanisms and so on - many companies wouldn't have bothered.

OK. Sounds good.

But, let me rephrase this so that what you’re saying is a little clearer.

[ahem]

What you’re really saying is that, rather than simply downloading one 5MB emulator that will work for many games (and more in the future), you’d rather rely on the individual game publishers to create ports, recompile, and then distribute the binaries.

For each and every game.

I love this plan. Aside from having to go and find all these binaries myself, and aside from having to wait for each company to hire coders to engage in a costly effort that will result in no additional revenue (in other words, something they’re never going to do), I also get to clutter my 360’s hard drive with a bunch of new files to run old games.

I totally see how this is a good idea.

If you have any more fancy ideas of this caliber, such as the benefits of marrying your sister or putting crack in children’s breakfast food, then send them my way. The world could benefit from the wisdom of luminaries such as yourself.

Hey – go look outside right now. Bill Gates is parked in front of your h4x0r den in his limo. He wants you to come run the whole Microsoft “Stupidest Ideas in the Universe” division.

– It’s officially a tardathon. The comments just keep coming:

Since this is all done in software, couldnt similar emulation be developed to run XBOX games on the PS3 or Nintendo's Revolution? For that matter, why not develope software to run PS2 games on the XBOX 360 too?

OH MY FREAKING GOD YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

[slapping forehead]

Here they are, working their butts off to get Xbox games to run on the 360, when all they really needed to do was develop a PS2 emulator for the Xbox and Xbox emulators for the PS3 and Revolution.

You know why they aren’t doing this? Because it’s the simplest ideas that are often overlooked. There’s a certain genius in being able to see the easy solution.

After they’re done with that, maybe they could start working on breeding a flying, fire-breathing dog that speaks Italian. It sounds so bloody easy.

Hey – go look outside right now. Bill Gates is parked in front of your h4x0r den in his limo. He wants you to come run the whole Microsoft “Miracles and Acts of God” division.

– Wow –

I realize that taking comments from Slashdot is easy pickins’, but I couldn’t help myself. Working for Microsoft, you really notice it when people slam your company and its products. In some cases, those slams are justified, but in so many others, it’s just the usual drones droning on, not doing any research, and taking shots at a team that has actually worked pretty bloody hard at putting out a good product.

Like I said earlier, I didn’t expect the 360 to be able to run any old Xbox games, and Microsoft certainly didn’t have to make it a feature. Like most people buying the new system, I expect that I’ll probably want to play new games on it.

There’s just no pleasing some people.

For a cool look at running an old title on the new system, check out this article on Halo – it has screenshots of the differences between 480p and 720p (with FSAA).

I think it looks pretty god damned cool, and you won’t catch me bitching about the ability to play old games at higher resolutions on the new system.

posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:51 AM
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  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    "When you say that people will be unhappy on “Christmast” morning (what’s “Christmast?”), it’s going to be because “their old Xbox games don’t work.”"

    I think this guy means it won't work if they don't have a HDD to put the emulator on. You have to buy and install a HDD in the core system in order to be able to do that.

    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xbox360/xbox360customize.htm

    User: Ross  |  Date: 11/13/2005 12:50 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Whoa! Hold the wagon. I just tried to plug my NES Super Mario Bros cartridge into my Game Cube, and you know what? They must have the backwards-compatible 8-bit cartridge adapter inside the box, cause I couldn't find anywhere to stick my cartridge. Surely, Nintendo maintains backwards compatibility throughout it's line of home consoles.

    What's that? I can't play my NES games on a Game Cube? I have to wait for Revolutions, and then download the games from Nintendo?

    Blah! Down with Nintendo! Nintendo sucks! Nintendo is just in this to make money!

    User: Jason F.  |  Date: 11/13/2005 1:08 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Ross -

    "I think this guy means it won't work if they don't have a HDD to put the emulator on."

    I can see that, but that's still a non-issue.

    If people get upset about an unadvertised feature missing from a system that was never meant to have it in the first place, then they really have no one to blame but themselves.

    And, my argument still stands - the release of the 360 isn't somehow going to destroy their old Xboxes. If someone still wants to play an old Xbox game, then it's a simple matter of playing it on an old Xbox. If that sounds like a lot of work, then an A/V switch can be picked up to handle it. If an A/V switch sounds too expensive, then... well, I guess they can buy hard drives for their 360s.

    The people who are shelling out for the 360s with hard drives are paying for convenience.

    User: Rory  |  Date: 11/13/2005 1:14 PM

  • # Rory on Xbox360 and SlashDot

    Rory takes on the imbeciles on SlashDot (yeah, there are quite a few) regarding the recently published...

    User: Mabsterama  |  Date: 11/13/2005 1:30 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Ross: the guy meant that, but it doesn't stop him being wrong. Unless...

    "Daddy, where did the XBox go?"
    "It's on a holiday!"
    "Why didn't it take the games? It will be bored."

    Ah, parenting at its finest. I know I believed the 'Your Master System is having a Makeover to look like a Mega Drive (Genesis)' excuse.

    User: Starfish  |  Date: 11/13/2005 1:38 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    What happens on Slashsnot should stay on Slashsnot……you didn’t warn us that you would be trashing a twelve year old on this post!

    Tomorrow I guess you’ll be asking us to grab a box of tissues as you’re about to tell us what you just saw on Ophra…..

    How about nice little Alien abduction story……?

    User: paul  |  Date: 11/13/2005 3:45 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    I tremble to imagine you in a world with no stupid people, Rory.

    What joy would there be, what deep and malicious satisfaction? What grassy park through which to walk your intellectual dog, what tree for him to pee on? What other, lesser dogs for him to mount and conquer with rapid pelvic thrusts? Intellectually speaking, of course.

    Let all Neopoleon readers include the Stupids and "Tards" in our Thanksgiving thank-you speeches this year, for it is they who provide the fertile ground from which sprouts the fruits of Rory.

    Oh and Rory, by the way: You're welcome.

    User: China  |  Date: 11/13/2005 3:52 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    paul -

    "What happens on Slashsnot should stay on Slashsnot……you didn’t warn us that you would be trashing a twelve year old on this post!"

    Well, yeah, but I trashed, you know, like, five or six twelve year olds.

    Added up, that's sixty or seventy years.

    "Tomorrow I guess you’ll be asking us to grab a box of tissues as you’re about to tell us what you just saw on Ophra…..

    How about nice little Alien abduction story……?"

    Those are both really good ideas :)

    User: Rory  |  Date: 11/13/2005 6:26 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    China -

    "I tremble to imagine you in a world with no stupid people, Rory."

    I do, too. I hate the idea of living alone.

    "What joy would there be, what deep and malicious satisfaction? What grassy park through which to walk your intellectual dog, what tree for him to pee on?"

    It wouldn't actually be lost.

    The truth is that, if we were to kill all the stupid people as you suggest (don't get all fired up and ready to reply - I *am* putting words in your mouth), then we'd just have to take all the average people and start calling them stupid.

    Then the smart people would become the average people, and a select few, probably headed by *ME*, would be the new smart people.

    It would just be an adjustment in what we consider to be stupid.

    If, on the other hand, you wanted to really complicate things, you could wipe out everybody below a certain IQ. Then we'd have to get into the real nitty-gritty and figure out who's smarter based on other qualites.

    Like who's better at badminton? If we both have IQs of 180, and if I kick your ass at badminton, then we'll just have to agree that I'm smarter than you because:

    Smart < (Smart + Badminton Champion)

    My point is proven by MATH and SCIENCE.

    "Oh and Rory, by the way: You're welcome."

    Thank you, thank you.

    Your sacrifice will be remembered during the Great Tardocide that is to come.

    User: Rory  |  Date: 11/13/2005 6:34 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    I read your warning about the naughty words, but I continued reading, and was offended. Therefore, I am complaining.

    I hope you get a flying, fire-breathing dog that speaks Italian for Christmast.

    User: Offended  |  Date: 11/13/2005 6:50 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Offended -

    "I hope you get a flying, fire-breathing dog that speaks Italian for Christmast."

    I do, too, actually...

    User: Rory  |  Date: 11/13/2005 6:59 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Best....Post....Ever

    User: Ongen  |  Date: 11/13/2005 7:35 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Look on the bright side: is anybody complaining that their old modchip won't work on the 360?

    (Come to think of it, they probably are, somewhere. Cocks.)

    User: Randy  |  Date: 11/13/2005 7:37 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Welcome back, Rory!

    Fabulous and well worth the read... thanks for saying it!

    User: Rich C  |  Date: 11/13/2005 10:39 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates


    Now Mr. Blyth, I have not seen that Micro$oft is guaranteeing Ubuntu support on the new release of the Xbox 360. As you may know I have come to depend upon running OpenOffice on my original Xbox, with its dual boot support for Debian Linux, in order to complete my school assignments. How can Micro$oft be so glib in denying me basic access to the tools required for my education?

    (hears noise, runs to window to see what's the matter)

    Hey, there is a limo pulling up out in front of my den. A head pops out of the opening in the carriage roof. It's Mr. Gates! He looks in my general direction and shouts, "How about running the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?" Damn, "He" is good.


    User: Blair  |  Date: 11/13/2005 10:54 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Can I make a more specific and constructive complaint about the list then? :-)

    No decent racing games are on it so far.

    No Moto GP, no Rallisport Challenge, no Burnout, and most importantly, no OutRun 2.

    Otherwise, it's a reasonably extensive list.

    User: Ian D  |  Date: 11/14/2005 2:12 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    "I’m sure they’re working day and night to get “STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE IN THE MAGICAL LAND OF YOU’RE A COCK” up and running."

    Ahh, it's that kind of comment (and post in general) that takes me back to the 'don box saw my penis' devcon! I've been sitting here chuckling away for a while now!

    fantastic summing up of the slashdot commenters in general

    User: Ian  |  Date: 11/14/2005 2:17 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Informative post but do you have to sit on the fence Rory?

    I do read Slashdot but the Microsoft bashing is tiresome. At least now that Apple is selling stuff to the public en masse there is a thriving resentment for them too. This of course leads to humourous (off-topic) articles such as the 200Gb iPod nano HDD mod...

    http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_3

    User: Charles  |  Date: 11/14/2005 4:09 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Is that the new Windows theme your showing off with the error screen?

    User: Bjorn  |  Date: 11/14/2005 4:11 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Many thanks rory that has to be the funniest thing i've read all year!! Any time you want to post more stupid slashdot comment analysis feel free, it's better than redbull!

    User: Simon Geering  |  Date: 11/14/2005 6:12 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    "Can I make a more specific and constructive complaint about the list then? :-)

    No decent racing games are on it so far."

    Ummm how about Forza? Quite possibly the best racing game of all time.

    User:  |  Date: 11/14/2005 6:44 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    You know whats really stupid?

    That you still read slashdot.

    Seriously, it's going to cause your IQ to drop...

    User: Rick  |  Date: 11/14/2005 6:48 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Just because you put a disclaimer up warning about "Naughty Words" does not give you a right to use "Naughty Words"! The FCC will be notified and you can bet your flying, fire-breathing, Italian Speaking, K-9, "Christmast" present that they will shut you down! It's bad enough that you trashed 6-7 twelve-year-olds (one of them happened to be Michael Powell's kid) but think of the twelve year olds that have read your rubbish response and are now traumatized!!! Many of them will not come down stairs this upcoming "Christmast" morning for fear that their old XBox system will sprout legs while their favorite games self-destruct! You're going down for this one Rory! You're going down hard and fast!

    Censorship for most, death for all others!

    User: Shut yo damned mouth  |  Date: 11/14/2005 7:16 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    You just summed up perfectly why I don't read Slashdot. It was a very funny post especially the strawberry shortcake thing!

    User: Andy  |  Date: 11/14/2005 7:59 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    woot: http://www.randyrants.com/2005/11/rory_on_gaming_.html

    User: Randy  |  Date: 11/14/2005 9:42 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Rory,

    Are these delusions of transference, or were you (again) speaking directly to me?

    Yes, it was a scary technical post, but your deft deployment of the words "cock" (multiple times!) and scrotal wrinkles were just the ticket to get me to try harder to understand the difficult concepts you addressed.

    I feel much lest anxioust about my Christmast shopping now.

    I owe it all to you.

    And I still think you're hot.

    User: Jen  |  Date: 11/14/2005 2:08 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Maybe I'm missing something here... But if you already have an xbox, is it going to magically vanish on chrismast day? I mean, who is this really an issue for? People who want to buy a xbox and then buy old games?

    That makes sense.

    I know I won't buy an 360 now that i know my old systems will no longer be in my house

    User: charlie  |  Date: 11/14/2005 7:27 PM

  • # one of the best posts I ever read...


    User: Blogus Maximus  |  Date: 11/14/2005 8:44 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    (Score:-1, Troll)

    Rory succeeds to complain about Slashdot guys with an ever lower quality post. Hard to beat Slashdot... but it looks like not impossible... :-)


    User: Anonymous Coward  |  Date: 11/14/2005 11:28 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    "Anonymous Coward" aka slashdot moderator?

    User: non-anonymous-Ian  |  Date: 11/15/2005 12:21 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Rory is unique and unbeatable, and hell funny. Many people take these opinions as a personal war, and they complain just because Rory wins everytime.

    Great post! hoping to see a post here on the PSP!

    User: David  |  Date: 11/15/2005 12:28 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    >>"I’m sure they’re working day and night to get “STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE IN THE MAGICAL LAND OF YOU’RE A COCK” up and running."

    ROTFL!

    >>(what’s “Christmast?”)

    Ok, I know I'm going straight to hell (WinME support desk) for this but isn't the Christmast the thing they nailed him too?

    Awe man, I am so screwed...

    User: Totzkeeeeee...  |  Date: 11/15/2005 6:25 AM

  • # Xbox 360 Backwards Compatability (Very Funny!)


    User: Scott Kuhl  |  Date: 11/15/2005 12:40 PM

  • # Xbox 360 Backwards Compatability (Very Funny!)


    User: Scott Kuhl  |  Date: 11/15/2005 12:40 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Thakns Totzkeeeeee for saying what I wouldn't.
    I'll see you in hell.

    Don't forget to bring a deck of cards

    User: Charlie  |  Date: 11/15/2005 2:53 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Funny, it's even worse, Sony's latest playstation 2's Don't even play some PS2 Titles, so it makes what MS are doing look even more impressive. Bring it on, the emulator is strictly not 100% necessary as the majority of people playing the XBox titles will own an XBox anyhow, but only having to have the one XBox in the lounge and the enhanced graphics is awsum. Thank you MS ;)

    User: Ashleigh  |  Date: 11/15/2005 4:15 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    The Slashdotters can't run the XBox360 on their communist-approved solar powered green-ass house current anyway!

    User: S Miller  |  Date: 11/15/2005 8:08 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    thanks - this post made me laugh until i cried!

    User: not a techie  |  Date: 11/16/2005 10:35 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Ok, I'm not a game nut but I live with enough of them to know what you're talking about. And, quite frankly, you are fucking hilarious.

    User: abishag  |  Date: 11/17/2005 7:52 AM

  • # Tell it like it is Rory


    User: D'Arcy from Winnipeg  |  Date: 11/18/2005 8:00 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    classic post Rory! keep fightin' the good fight, and tell it like it is brutha!

    User: tomawesome  |  Date: 11/21/2005 10:00 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    I bust a gut reading this post. Welcome to my FeedDemon list!

    And yeah, Slashdot comments can be easy pickings...as are game-related posts on just about any website. When they intersect...ugh.

    User: Rantage  |  Date: 11/22/2005 4:16 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Damn you, stop making me laugh! People are looking at me as if to say 'get back to lunch, your work is over!'...

    User: Dale  |  Date: 11/22/2005 7:32 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Like you said, Rory, going over to Slashdot is "easy pickings" when it comes to stupid comments. I went over there not too long ago when the readers were busy making more anti-MS rants, and found so many misperceptions and "she blinded me with ideology"-type comments I figured I could do one of two things. I could waste time responding to all of them, countering their arguments with facts and common sense, or I could just leave and get on with my day. Aside from making a couple responses, doing as I described, I chose the latter.

    I'm a slow learner sometimes, but I'm increasingly of the mind that responding to these folks is not worth it.

    I've also come to another conclusion. Software developers, who actually know a thing or two about the practicality of what these presumptuous fools know so little about, do not appear to be the "opinion-makers" in the tech world, at least not on the web. A lot of times when I run into ABMers on the web it turns out they're sysadmins or IT administrators (not to say all sysadmins and IT admins are of the same mind). Most of them wouldn't know how to port an open source program if their lives depended on it. Like some do, they expect it to "just happen".

    User: Mark Miller  |  Date: 11/24/2005 2:49 AM

  • # Blog Post of the Year!!!


    User: Clark Sell  |  Date: 11/24/2005 8:34 AM

  • # Misc

    This post is going to be a bit all over the place, so bear with me.
    Since starting my new contract almost...

    User: Kevin Trethewey  |  Date: 11/24/2005 9:31 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Could you please keep us up to date on the progress of the flying, fire-breathing dog that speaks Italian.

    Will it be available in 'n multilingual version too? I would love to have one!

    O yes, and thanks to the guys at MS for all the great products over the years!

    User: Prieur du Plessis  |  Date: 11/24/2005 11:13 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    and the rory-fanboys bowed down, agreed, and continued to worship their master...

    ok - funny post, I give you that; maybe not quite beanbag/banana funny, but certainly funnier than anything I'd ever write (not that that's setting the bar very high).

    However, you conveniently overlook a few little facts...

    like the fact that the expectation of full backwards compatibility stems from the ps2, which was (almost?) fully compatible with the ps1 (which I think they did by putting a ps1-chip in the ps2). Of course, despite promises by sony and nintendo, it remains to be seen if the ps3 and revolution can pull this off as well...

    like the fact that (if memory serves me right; too lazy to verify right now) MSFT did promise backwards compatibility with "most" xbox1-titles, and the actual compatibility list lacks many popular games.

    like the fact that having a purdy 360 with wireless controllers won't mean much if you still need to have that bulky black wired old xbox (which many-a-mom would love to get out of the living room) there as well.

    like the fact that it's easy to bash /. based on some of the stupid comments there, while you-and-i both know there are also some pretty (Score 5,) insightful and funny comments there; which I assume is why you still go there. Most of your points (your old xbox still works, backwards compatibility is not mandatory) are also made in that thread for instance.

    Now personally, I don't give a shit about compatibility as I don't own an xbox, and when/if I buy a 360, I don't expect to buy any old titles. For heavy duty gamers that already have an xbox, ps2, gamecube, dreamcast, n64 and atari though (i.e. the kind of gamer willing to stand in line for hours on launch-day), I feel their pain. Not that it'll stop them from buying one anyway of course, but if blowing off some steam on /. makes them feel better, more power to them...

    User: Luke Hutteman  |  Date: 11/30/2005 6:34 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Luke -

    "the expectation of full backwards compatibility stems from the ps2, which was (almost?) fully compatible with the ps1 (which I think they did by putting a ps1-chip in the ps2)"

    If I recall correctly, the PS2 had some issues at launch. Not as bad as the 360, but still had issues.

    I don't remember how they dealt with PS1 games. I think you might be right about the chip. If that's the case, it'd be good to remember that the PS1 chip wasn't an especially *nice* chip. It'd be like sticking a calculator in the PS2.

    Since the Xbox platform was really a combo of a PIII and a custom NVidia chip, it'd be much more expensive to try and to something similar with the 360. There also probably just isn't room inside the box for another few chips.

    "(if memory serves me right; too lazy to verify right now) MSFT did promise backwards compatibility with "most" xbox1-titles, and the actual compatibility list lacks many popular games"

    I'm pretty sure the first official statement made it clear that there would be (very) partial compatibility at the outset, but *with more games to follow*.

    People conveniently ignore the with-more-games-to-follow bit. They're hand testing each game to ensure proper functionality. It's going to take a while, but the list is going to grow. Have to remember that this was a product launch for a pretty ambitious console. Give it time.

    "it's easy to bash /. based on some of the stupid comments there, while you-and-i both know there are also some pretty (Score 5,) insightful and funny comments there"

    I *am* just having fun, and those people make themselves targets by acting like complete jackasses.

    "if blowing off some steam on /. makes them feel better, more power to them..."

    And if blowing some steam on my blog makes *me* feel better, than...?

    Interesting that it's OK for them to bash Microsoft, but I get a little slap for returning the favor.

    User: Rory  |  Date: 11/30/2005 10:09 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    "Since the Xbox platform was really a combo of a PIII and a custom NVidia chip, it'd be much more expensive to try and to something similar with the 360. There also probably just isn't room inside the box for another few chips."

    I wasn't suggesting that MSFT should've included x1-hardware in the x2, just that sony set a precedent with the ps2, and since they're the market leader, this made many people think that's how all console's should work from now on. I agree this is a somewhat unrealistic expectation, but it's there nonetheless.

    "I'm pretty sure the first official statement made it clear that there would be (very) partial compatibility at the outset, but *with more games to follow*."

    not how I remember it, but you could very well be right; still too lazy to verify ;-)

    "People conveniently ignore the with-more-games-to-follow bit. They're hand testing each game to ensure proper functionality. It's going to take a while, but the list is going to grow. Have to remember that this was a product launch for a pretty ambitious console. Give it time."

    fair enough

    "I *am* just having fun, and those people make themselves targets by acting like complete jackasses."

    not disagreeing with you there...

    "And if blowing some steam on my blog makes *me* feel better, than...?"

    more power to you as well

    "Interesting that it's OK for them to bash Microsoft, but I get a little slap for returning the favor."

    oh don't get me wrong - it's absolutely OK for you to write whatever you want on your own blog (you must be very relieved to have my permission) - especially when mixed with that unique rory sarcasm/humor blend. The "little slap" was just some well needed counter-balance to the rory worship that seems to go on here.

    don't worry - i still luv ya

    User: Luke Hutteman  |  Date: 11/30/2005 8:15 PM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    I think "charlie" got it above (and I am a little late here, but what the heck).

    Is it me, but if you already have a bunch of "old" XBox games lying around, wouldn't you also have an "old" XBox as well? Is it some sort of rule that if you purchase a new console that you have to discard the old one?

    User: Brad Brening  |  Date: 12/7/2005 10:12 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    I like pancakes.

    User: Gravy  |  Date: 12/8/2005 8:22 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    Thanks Hut Man, there's far too much Rory worship on the net. If only those idiots would spend their time on Slashdot or OSNews, we'd all be better off.

    User:  |  Date: 12/9/2005 5:06 AM

  • # re: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatability - Ingrates

    i lol when i read this. and i mean it
    not like when you type it into msn to your friends when there boring you. I really did.

    User: free 360 xbox console  |  Date: 2/11/2006 3:59 PM
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